Full circle

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Svcmgr has been busy on his blog this month and it has been such a relief to see some new material. He was, and still is having the same problem as most of the skype crew, me included – A total disinterest in playing poker.

Every poker player will go through this and it can be caused by several things. From personal reasons outwith poker to being sick of being sucked out by monkey players to just being ‘pokered out’. Or in lamens terms, playing too much.

Everyone will have their own reasons, and they can comment on it for themselves. But before commenting, see if you connect with what I’m going to tell you. Reading Dave’s blog really made me think about my game and what is wrong with it. The thing is, there was nothing in the blogs that struck a chord, as such. Just reading them made me think.

So here goes…. why I have lost interest in poker, in nice little bullet points! 

  1. I’m sick of losing out to monkeys who suckout in the most horendous ways possible
  2. In recent times I’ve played way too much poker leading to poker overload
  3. I’m on a losing run (again) at most of the sites I play at

Do these reasons seem familiar to you? They most likely will. They are probably the top 3 in your list why you have trodden down the path of poker obscurity.

You are probably wondering why I have basically repeated what I said in the opening paragraphs. Well the answer is simple…. they are not reasons. They are EXCUSES! At the end of the day, we are looking for excuses because we are not winning.

All along, I think we have been looking for excuses to why we have lost interest in poker instead of analysing the real reasons. Yes, we get constantly sucked out by monkeys. Yes, we may be on a losing run. Yes we may be playing too many games. But when do we draw the line and realise that we ourselves are the problem.

We all know that skill will overcome luck in the long run. Taking myself as the example, this is not happenening and hasn’t been happening for months. Only in the very odd game do I do well. I have played a helluva lot of poker this year but have not played well for the majority of it.

At the weekends, when on with the skype crew, we chat, we drink, we smoke and generally have a laugh, with the odd game of poker thrown in for good measure. But I’ve noticed that none of us has really made any inroads to consistantly cashing in the games we play – and it never used to be like that. A few months ago we were all cashing in sit and gos on a nightly basis. Very rarely would we come away from the tables without being at least even. More often than not we would all be in profit. So where does the problem lie?

For me personally, I’ve came full circle. You may remember the posts I wrote way back in March and April describing the exact same apathy that has gripped me now. You can click on the archives for a reminder. Basically, I need to re-evaluate why I’m playing poker. I need to re-focus on a goal and most importantly, I have to go back to basics!

I’ve came full circle from when I first posted about losing interest in poker way back in March and April. I’ve gone from a disinterested player to winning player with a goal, to playing avarage, but still making profit to the cocky player winning very little and losing confidence in my own game. And now I’m back to being the disinterested player again.

I said in those early posts that you have to evaluate your play on a constant basis. If you go on a losing streak, examine why it’s happening. Is it just variance or are you not focusing enough? Are you not trying hard enough? Have you lost focus of your goal? Have you become ignorant or arogant enough to think you are a much better player than most and should be winning, or at least cashing in any game you play?

As far as I’m concerned, it’s time for me to go ‘Back to Basics’ again. I know it will be tedious. I know what I’m going to see when I read through the archives of all the blogs. I know what the problems are, and I think I know most of the answers. But I still have to do it. There will always be something in these archives that I will have forgotton, no matter how many times I go back to them. My brain needs a refresher course in the basics of playing poker – the parts you need to look at before a card is dealt. Playing the cards will take care of themselves after that.

I have done the one thing I warned others about – I’ve became a little overconfident, or even arogant in my own ability, and I didn’t even realise it until I read Daves blog. I’ve probably known it all along, but it just needed that extra ‘push’ to make me realise it was definately going on and I need to do something about it.

So, in closing this rather long post, ask yourself – if you are in the same position as me – what are the real reasons you have lost interest in poker. Then look at them again. You may just find that your reasons are in fact excuses. Maybe you have came Full Circle too, and if so I hope this post has helped you to realise that. But in any case it does no harm to go Back to Basics to re-affirm your poker values and start to act on them again.

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7 Responses to Full circle

  1. svcmgr says:

    Goph,
    I have been thinking about this for a while too. In my case, I think I am just burnt out with Poker.
    When I play now, I am bored before we even start.
    What happens when you are bored? Your K 9 off starts looking good. You never know, it may hit..lol. You play it, you loose most of the time.
    When I was interested, my heart would start beating faster when I was in a good hand, I would look forward to games, I would concentrate on the table and catch the “tells”, etc.
    Now, I can still play but its mechanical. Pre-flop raise with a high PP and call an all-in raise and race. Blah, blah, blah.
    Bitching about Monkeys, loosing streaks, cheating, etc. is just a way, for me, to be involved without playing.
    I don’t play a lot. Maybe 2 times a week now. So, I don’t think this is a “overplaying” thing.
    I am discouraged. I have been beat down enough by the Monkeys.
    It just really bothers me when I put an effort into this game, I learn, and I play the way it should be played and I get taken out by a 13 year old with a computer that thinks 3 9 suited looks pretty so they play them.
    Is it an excuse? Probably. Will I win more often than not, probably. But it sure makes it hard.
    I played live last night and there were a couple of hands where I noticed my heart was racing (I flopped the nuts and I had one player betting into me with a caller too) and I was excited. There was one Monkey at the table but he was so obvious everyone knew when he had a hand or didn’t. So, it was good play. Not just the mechanics, actual Poker.
    So, when you say full circle, do you mean getting back to basics? Grinding it out, as it were.
    Back to the pick out a game, focus on that one, play right, and don’t worry about the Monkeys?
    You call it a circle. Does that mean you will eventually end up back where you are now?
    I don’t know. Your post is going to make me think (thanks a lot! Thinking hurts..lol) about me and my game. Maybe I will write about it.
    I would like to know what the others think. I hope they comment.
    Good luck grinding it out. I here if you need me.
    Take care

  2. dagopher says:

    Thanks for the comments Dave.

    Full Circle…. I used this phrase only in terms of my own experience. I have came full circle from where I was way back in March. I’m hoping that it doesn’t turn out to be a ‘vicious circle’ and I eventually end up in the same place again.

    As for being bored – is it because of the monkey play that we become like this? Is it that deep down, even before a card is dealt, we know what is going to happen in a game and therefore mentally dismiss our chances to win? That would bore the pants of me, knowing I’m not going to win. So is the boredom just a mentality thing? Could it be construed as losing sight of our goal? I’m no psycologist, but we all know that positive thinking helps us to do whatever tasks we undertake, a whole lot better.

    You say you are just burnt out with poker Dave. I had a wee think about this and came to a conclusion.

    To me, this poker problem is like your favourite piece of candy. You will buy your favourite piece of candy day-in day-out. But there comes a time when, to even think about eating that piece of candy turns your stomach over. You’ve just eaten too much of it. You’ve made yourself sick of it because you have consumed so much of it. But if it’s put on the table in front of you, you will still eat it, even though you now couldn’t care less for it.

    A basic analogy, but it does simulate what could be happening to us at the tables. We have played so much poker, that we have now lost the ‘taste’ for it. But if someone asks you to come and play a game its all to easy to open up a poker client and sign up for a game. It’s basically put in front of you, and more often than not you will play, even though deep down you don’t really want to or couldn’t care less.

    I have played no poker for almost 2 weeks now. I have started doing things other than poker. If I go on the computer, I play those silly (but addictive) games that come with the Windows XP software (freecell, solitaire etc..) any time I get the urge to play poker. It’s a different startegy to the last time I felt like this. Last time I kept on playing while evaluating my game – when I went ‘back to basics’.

    This time, I’m still going back to basics, reading my, and others’ past blog entries, reading poker articles etc… But I’ve not played any poker. I’ll soon find out if this time out makes any improvement to my game when I play this weekend.

  3. netsson says:

    This is partly what i wrote about in august in my post about bad beats… And you’re right about going back to basics analyzing what it was that got you interested in this game in the first place….

    I loose due to not being focused enough to read the opponents right! That is my biggest fault but it still my fault and not due to bad beats or bad streaks at the different sites! I know that and i’m working hard on it

    And i do miss the skypecrew who yelled at me at the table, there i learned most of the patience

    By the way netsson’s blog is back!

  4. Blagger says:

    To be honest guys I know how much you think about the hands you are in, the depth of your thinking about pot odds, pre flop betting, general betting patterns etc.

    And you really are playing for the most part against a very inferior opponent. This why you are constantly frustrated and become worn down with the bad beats and ridiculous calls that hit the river.

    Even playing the $20-$30 SNG’s for the most part the players still do not think to the depth of analysis that you do and you’ll still get unfathomable calls and bets.

    Either you learn to incorporate the donk calls and bets into your overall strategy (pretty impossible) or you get a lot more selective on where and whom you play.

  5. Blagger says:

    Yeah I didn’t make myself that clear before, what I was getting at was the monotony of playing the same level buy ins for the last 1,2,3 years is getting to yah.

    Off the top of your head could you tell me how much you have won/lost this month? Unless you have had a big win I doubt yah could tell me. Because it doesn’t mean enough to you, you can’t recall. Possibly there’s your problem right there, or at least a part of it, maybe?

  6. netsson says:

    Well i started a new stat-tool to keep track on how much i buyin, win, loose and on what! I had too when i felt i kept going in circles regarding progress.

    I want to become a better player and to accomplish that i changed a lot, i have stepped up in buyins, i started to analyze my games more efficiently/differently and i’m taking more pokerfree days where i do something else just to keep the hunger for the winning and to become more patient.

  7. Vince says:

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    Greets Vince

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